Proof of God?

A friend asked “Let us suppose it was absolutely certain there was no god but many people honestly believed there was – how different would the world look today?”

I could answer that if there was no God there would be no universe and no people to observe it.

Clearly, as we are both intelligent people we must be talking about something different when we say the word ‘god’.

The God that I conclude exists is a creator, and a God who sustains the universe.  Clearly the universe exists and continues to exist.  Ask a physicist why and he will probably say ‘because of the laws of physics’.  A rose is a rose by any other name, so at minimum my God is the laws of physics – we just choose to give it different names.

Perhaps my friend’s question is going beyond that definition of God.  Perhaps he is asking about a God who has ‘character’, a ‘me’-ness that I have.  (I know that I exist, there is an essence that is ‘me’).  What would things be like if there was not a God who had an essence of ‘me’?

It’s actually not easy to define what ‘I’ am.  Science of course shows that my brain has massively complex computational ability, but that doesn’t really help.  Literature and philosophy, and our daily experience tells me that there are things like love, joy, peace, thoughts, free will.  Let’s consider these as parts of ‘me’, and think – what if there were not a god who also had these characteristics.

But once again, the same sort of argument applies.  God is love, joy, peace.  Therefore without God there would be no love, joy or peace.  There would be no literature, there would be no mathematics, no equations, there would be not science.

Free will though is slightly different.  We know we have free will, and yet it is inexplicable by science.  It is inconsistent with the laws of physics.  Free will seems a bit of a paradox.  If God is the laws of physics, and free will is inconsistent with the laws of physics then how can that work?  A rational explanation is that free will is something that is a gift of God, that is not constrained by the laws of physics.  Therefore we begin to see what would be different in my friends question.  Without God we would have no free will, we would not be able to choose right from wrong, we would simply be robots who respond to stimuli.

But to explore the question further.  My last paragraph introduced right and wrong.  We know that there is right and wrong – even if we don’t always know what is right and what is wrong.  Right and wrong are different from free will, so let’s suppose that we were able to have free will but had no knowledge of right and wrong.  Clearly right and wrong exist.  Goodness and evil exist.  And yes, my definition of God includes ultimate goodness.  So without God we would have no constraint on what we do, we would simply live to serve ourselves.  The world would be governed simply by whoever was strongest.  We would be like most of the rest of the animal kingdom.  States like North Korea would be everywhere and left unchecked.  Anarchy would reign.  The world would be a very different place to live.

So have I proved God exists?  I think so (but I would) – simply because my definition of God includes everything that we know exists.  I define that it is not possible for anything to exist without God, and so anything which exists must be God.

My friend asked what if God didn’t exist but people believed that he did.  I hope that I have shown that such a question is not directly answerable, it is like the “can god make a thing so heavy that he cannot lift it” question, or “can God make something that doesn’t exist”.  But perhaps I’ve also been able to answer the questions behind the question.  Will it satisfy my friend?  I doubt it.  If any of us really doesn’t want to change our views then no amount of logical reasoning will make a difference.  But perhaps others will find the discussion interesting….

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God, miracles and the laws of physics.

If something is consistent with the laws of physics, can it be a miracle?  If something behaves inconsistently with the laws of physics, does it prove that there is a God? Does a scientific explanation of an event say anything about the existence or non-existence of God? 

Consider the statement, “The earthquake was caused by the contraction of the crust of the earth”.  The statement in itself clearly says nothing about the existence or non-existence of God.  Yet people have often read meaning into disastrous events, considering them to be ‘acts of God’.

Whilst they may be right, just over 2000 years ago a tower fell on eighteen people and killed them.  At the time an investigation might have concluded that the tower fell due to subsidence of the foundations, or poor workmanship – there might have been a completely explainable ‘natural’ cause.  Yet there were probably a number of people who thought that this was God’s judgement on those eighteen people. The event is referred to in the Bible, and we hear that Jesus spoke to the crowd saying, “those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem?”  Clearly Jesus didn’t consider this event to have been an act of God.

Let’s consider another sequence of events that was also described in the Bible.  Jesus tells one of his followers to:

 “go down to the lake and throw in a line. Open the mouth of the first fish you catch, and you will find a large silver coin. Take it and pay the tax for both of us.” (Ref Matthew 17:27)

Clearly this might be explained by the following ‘natural’ sequence of events:  A merchant on a quayside dropped some coins and one fell into the water.  A fish happened to be attracted to the large shiny silver coin, and tried to eat it (we use such ‘lures’ to catch fish today).  The coin got stuck in the fish’s mouth.  The fish was rather hungry and particularly attracted to the bait on the disciple’s fishing line.  The fish was caught on the disciple’s line and he found the coin.  This explanation is fully consistent with the laws of science and our experience of the sorts of things that happen every day. But that’s not enough to satisfy us.  We can’t believe that it just happened by chance.

So why do we find the event so surprising?  Is it because we know that the particular chain of events is very unlikely?  We know that people drop money. We know that fish are attracted to shiny objects and swallow them. We know that people catch fish. So to catch a fish with a coin in its mouth does not seem so very unlikely.  Each event by itself is possible, although the complete chain of events becomes increasingly unlikely – I don’t personally recall hearing of anyone else who has caught a fish with a coin in its mouth. What makes the story special is that Jesus predicted that the first fish to be caught would have a coin in its mouth, and that he instructed the disciple to do such a strange thing in order to get the coin.  We recognise that there must be a ‘fix’ going on somewhere.

Derren Brown has been filmed tossing coins.  The film shows him tossing ten ‘heads’ in a row.  The probability of that happening by chance is (0.5)10 = 1 in 1024.  When we see something happening that has only a one in a thousand chance we know that there must be some fix, especially when we know the man is a conjurer – and yet we’ve seen it with our own eyes.  The explanation is that he spent days being filmed tossing coins until the unlikely event actually came up.  The difference in the story above is that Jesus only had one shot at getting it right.

Almost every week someone wins the lottery.  The chance of there being a winner of the lottery is extremely high.  Yet if a friend gave you a ticket in advance of the lottery and said “This ticket will win”, and then you did win you would know that the friend had fixed it in some way.  If you knew that your friend was not a crook, but had your best interests in mind it might make you pay somewhat more attention to what he said in future.

The conclusion from all these examples is that it is quite possible for something to be fully consistent with the known behaviour of the matter in the universe and yet still require some explaining.  Is there some sort of ‘fixing’ going on that we don’t know about?

Examples of ‘fixing’ are taken by many to be indication of there being a God; scientific evidence for God. And such examples may not contravene the laws of physics, but just be very unlikely events.  As we look at the discoveries of science there is no point doubting the validity, but (depending on your starting point) some things seem to be incredibly unlikely.  It is worth wondering, is there some sort of ‘fixing’ needed?

furry dice

 

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https://philhemsley.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/can-god-answer-prayer-in-a-universe-that-operates-according-to-the-laws-of-physics/

https://philhemsley.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/an-argument-for-and-definition-of-god/

https://philhemsley.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/evolution/

 

How far should we trust scientific prediction?

Scientific models can accurately predict behaviour of what we have measured. Popular science programmes imply that we can assume that what we haven’t measured is equally predictable.  Are they correct?

We can record data from all sorts of events.  A man walks to work, we can record how far he has got at which time, and we can plot a graph of it.  We can then derive an equation to fit a curve through the data points that we have recorded. Programs like excel do this automatically.  Some equations will fit the data very badly; others will match each point of data exactly.  So we now have some equations that match the data, but those equations do not predict what happened before and after we recorded our data.  They do not predict how the man got up and walked around his house before leaving for work, or how he sat on his chair for three hours before walking to get a coffee.  In this case it is easy to see that the equations are only valid as a model for the data that has been recorded.  We would be completely wrong to use them to predict all the walking that the man does in his life.

We have all seen a graphical representation of a sound.  Whenever any sound or noise is recorded it can be represented by a graph.  Once we have the raw data, it is possible to define equations that describe the shape of the data.  This is known as Fourier Analysis.  So, we have our raw data, and we have our equations, and we can find that the equations almost perfectly match the behaviour of the raw data.  In our Fourier analysis, we can take a short stretch of  completely random signal, and we can analyse it and model it with equations that match it almost perfectly.  But if we try to use those equations to predict the precise signal in the section of the noise before or after what we have analysed we will get completely the wrong answer.  The sort of shape will look similar, but the detail will be completely different.

Both of these are examples of what science does.  It records data and then it determines equations that match the data that has been recorded.  We use these equations to immense practical purpose and most of the time they hold true.  When measurement doesn’t match the equations then we tend to dismiss the measurement as faulty.  Nobody would believe me if I claim to have invented a perpetual motion machine!

However, we must recognise that we may simply be in a short stretch of ‘white noise’ and it would be bad science and bad logic to insist that our equations hold true outside of the domain in which they were developed and tested.  Commentaries about potential other universes,  events before Big Bang, or even events in the distant past of our own universe or planet fall into this category.  It is not an act of science, but an act of faith to assume that the behaviour of the material universe has always been and always will be the same, as that which we see today.

White-noise

What IS reality?

Our worldview is our way of dealing with reality.  In exploring the truth we would like our evidence to be real. So it’s worth thinking about what “reality” actually means.

I consider myself to be ‘real’.  I cannot be a figment of my imagination, because otherwise there would be no ‘me’ to imagine myself.  Perhaps everything else is a figment of my imagination, perhaps even my body is a figment of my imagination, but I know (at least that part of me that is able to know) that I am real.  Descartes captured this in his famous quotation that has been translated as “I think therefore I am”.

Alone, I am one person.  If you were with me there would be two people.  As more and more join us we would increase to 3, 4, 5, and so on.  So what are 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5?  They are a concept that represents something about something real. The number itself is not real.  So, there may be 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 men in a room, but there is never just ‘1’. Thinking further, we can have 1 man or even 0 men.  But we can’t have “minus 1” men, or “minus 1000” men, yet mathematically that is perfectly possible.  So are numbers, and hence the whole of mathematics ‘real’?

On a five pound note it says “I promise to pay the bearer the sum of five pounds”.  So money represents a promise.  In our bank account it’s perhaps quite reasonable to have £-1000 as our balance.  We owe 1000 promises to someone else.  Is a promise ‘real’?  Is money ‘real’?

We use both the concept of numbers and the concept of money daily, and they are invaluable for helping society work.  I want some potatoes for my dinner, so I use the concept of numbers to decide how many will fill my stomach, and I use the concept of money (promises) to give in exchange for your potatoes.  And at some time in the future you will probably ‘call in’ that promise and ask someone else for a pair of trousers.  Now you, I, the potatoes and the pair of trousers are what we would normally consider ‘real’, but are the numbers and the promises?

In the simple example above, we use mathematics (numbers) to represent a quantity of something real.  When we do engineering or science, we think we are doing the same.  We define not only ‘a potato’, but we define ‘properties’ of the potato; its mass, its volume, its temperature and so on.  Then we use mathematics to quantify the amount of those properties; a 6 ounce potato for instance.  So are the properties of the potato real? We know that a big potato travelling at a high speed will hurt more than a small potato travelling at low speed, so perhaps it is reasonable to think of the properties by themselves as ‘real’?

Once we have defined these properties and given them ‘units’ to allow us to quantify them (ounces in our example above) then we start to do experiments to see how the properties relate to each other. We might see how a given force acting on a potato of a given size causes its velocity to increase. Then we might carry out the same experiment on a bigger and smaller potato to see how the properties of force, mass, and velocity relate to each other.  And we define further properties that help us do our sums more effectively (like ‘momentum’ … the mass multiplied by the velocity).  Are those combined properties ‘real’, or simply concepts?

We can then capture these relationships in mathematical formulae, and we can do mathematical sums on them to predict what will happen in experiments that we have yet to carry out.  We might have done all our experiments on a five ounce potato.  We take our deduced formulae to work out what might happen with a ten ounce potato, and then we carry out the same experiments on a ten ounce potato to see if our predictions are right. And we find that the experiment will not quite tie up with our prediction, and so we think a bit more about the formula and whether we have left anything out of our experiment, and we come up with more complex and advanced formulae to predict what the ‘real’ potato will do in all circumstances.  That is what we call science.

So are those complex formulae ‘real’?  Is the inaccurate formula ‘not real’ but the more accurate formula ‘real’?  If all the formulae are wrong, are none of them ‘real’?  How can something wrong be real?  If all of this is what science is, can science be real?

According to Richard Feynman (US educator & physicist (1918 – 1988)), a philosopher once said that ‘It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results’.  It is ingrained in us that each time we carry out the same experiment on the potato we get the same result, but what if we don’t? What if the potato just doesn’t behave in the same way? In that case can we claim mathematics or science to be true, or real?  It may seem silly to suggest that the potato will not always behave in the same way, but that’s just conditioning on our part; our faith in this happening is so deep we are not aware of it.

We can perhaps believe that carrying out the same experiment on the same human being will not always give the same result; so what does that tell us?  Are scientific statements on the behaviour of human beings are just informed guesses perhaps?

But let’s get back to mathematics and our friendly potato again. Imagine a light shining on a potato, which is now bouncing up and down on a spring (a bungee potato?).  The shadow of the potato moves up and down on the wall with a changing speed but in a repeating pattern.  Do the same thing with a potato on the spoke of a wheel that is rotating around a spindle and we find that the movement of the shadows of both are the same.  We can use the same mathematical formula to describe how the shadow of each moves, but the ‘real’ objects are moving differently.

Many different forms of equations and mathematical models can be used to describe the motion.  In one form, a concept of an ‘imaginary’ number is used, ‘i’ = the square root of minus 1.   The name suggests that the number ‘i’ is not real, yet in one of our formulae it can be used to represent something that is ‘real’.

So what is real?

Does it matter?

What is my point?

The simple question of ‘what is real’ is not such a simple question after all.  In our day-to-day lives we rely on our ‘common sense’ and freely decide some things are real and others not real (“I don’t think ghosts are real” for instance).  Yet if we scratch below the surface, much of what we accept as real may not be so, and vice versa.

Atheists say that God is not real.  But what does God being ‘real’ might actually mean?   Perhaps the question is not quite as simple as we might think.

Scientific and mathematical equations may or may not be real in the sense of what our common sense tells us, but they are sufficiently real to have a massive effect on our lives.  God may not be the same sort of ‘real’ that we would apply to a potato; although some claim that he has a massive effect on our lives.   But we mustn’t therefore jump to the conclusion that therefore God must be the same sort of ‘real’ as a mathematical equation; there can perhaps be many forms of ‘real’.

Awesome life!

As we age, we find that we can’t do all the things we used to.  I can’t hear as well as I could, and my eyes have reached the stage of needing vari-focal lenses. On the plus side though, we learn a lot too, and one thing we learn is that we don’t know as much as we thought we might when we were younger.  We learn to look more deeply at questions, perhaps because unlike a child who keeps asking ‘why’ we have learnt not to take answers on complete trust.

But when bits of our body stop working we begin to remember how amazing it is when they do, and to wonder if we really do understand all that’s going on in the universe.

Our bodies have incredible and almost unbelievable systems and components.  If someone were to describe how our bodies operate, I doubt that we would believe them but for the fact that we have seen them and we live in them …. and take them for granted!  There was a time when there was no life, and now there is ‘us’.  So my mind wandered:

  • Was there a time when our ancestors didn’t have all of the components and systems that we now have as humans?
  • Was there a time when they had all but one?
  • Was there a time when they had all but two?
  • Was there a time when our ancestors didn’t have blood?
  • When they didn’t have an immune system?
  • When they didn’t have nerve cells?
  • When they didn’t have joints in the skeleton?
  • When they didn’t have a heart?
  • When they didn’t have a blood clotting mechanism?
  • When they didn’t have a bone restructuring system?
  • When they didn’t have lungs?
  • When they didn’t have the little hairs in the lungs that clear out the mucus?
  • When they didn’t have mucus?

I don’t doubt that the answer is ‘yes’, but that further magnifies the amazing fact of our existence.

Not only do our present bodies have to grow in just the right sequence from the very first cell, but the process of developing to our present state must also have occurred in a sensibly ordered sequence. There would be no point in having a blood clotting mechanism without blood but an animal which has blood but no clotting mechanism would be rather fragile. Both mechanisms and components must have developed in parallel.  But the blood itself would be of little benefit without veins and arteries, and the veins and arteries would be of little benefit without the heart, and the heart would be of little benefit if it didn’t respond to the ‘operational needs’ of the body.

So we have a body that constructs itself in a way that at each stage of development it is fully operational (albeit in the controlled environment of the womb), and we have a generation to generation development process that ensures that each entity at each stage of its own development is operational in its own right.

I don’t doubt that this happens, and has happened over millennia.  I don’t have a problem with the principles that Darwin proposed.  But I do wonder if all this can happen just as a result of the properties of matter and the laws of physics.

Of course “the truth is out there” … but whether we can ever find out is another question….

Can God answer prayer in a universe that operates according to the laws of physics?

We believe that the universe operates according to the laws and equations of physics.  And then we ask, “if the behaviour of the universe is predictable according to the laws of physics, then is there any way in which God can ‘do’ anything; how can God answer prayer?”

Perhaps in the same way that we ‘do’ things?  As I type this, I am influencing the material world with my mind, with my will.  Although we all speculate based on different quantities of data, nobody knows how we do it.  We can trace pathways through the brain, down nerves and so on, but we still don’t know how ‘we’ operate with free will or exercise that free will.

Some claim that we don’t, that free will is a delusion.  But they don’t really believe it – we all behave as if we have a degree of free will.  Clearly we don’t decide everything our bodies do, but we still do decide some things.  We exercise our free will daily.  How could it be otherwise?  If free will were a delusion, then if we were truly able to believe that it were an illusion we would realise that there is no point to anything at all and we would give up all our searchings, all our science, all our religion  Yet we would not be able to give it up, because we would not have the free will to be able to!  And if someone claims that free will is a delusion, how have they come to that conclusion?  If they are correct then clearly they cannot have come to the conclusion themselves, but only had the delusion of coming to that conclusion …. So the claim that freewill is a delusion is contrary to all evidence, and by as outlined above completely un-provable.  It is outside of science and outside of reason.  Therefore if pursuit of the truth is to have any meaning then we must conclude that we have free will.

So in the same way that we, with our free will  can operate in the material world, controlled by the laws of physics, God too can operate.  There is thus no scientific reason to suppose that God cannot answer prayer. (If he exists of course!)